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...da ich nahezu jeden Tag auf EliteFTS schmöcker, Jim Wendler seit neuestem auch mein Freund bei Facebook ist und
ich so immer mal interessante Dinge aufschnappe...mach ich mal einen Thread auf und knall hier alles rein was interessant sein könnte...


5 Ways to Increase Your Bench Press


http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=132300&tid=63

1. Gain weight - this is almost impossible to recommend right now. The whole world is on a skinny jeans kick and visible abs are "in". What is also in-style is not being a narcissitic pussy. Performance trumps looks EVERYTIME. Just ask the next woman you sleep with.

2. Train your shoulders - Use the standing shoulder press as a main/core exercise and also supplement with things such as the bradford press, incline press, standing DB press and other full range pressing movements. The best way to bench 400lbs is to press 300.

3. Be patient - of the 3 big lifts, the bench press will go up the slowest. Despite the rumors being spread via magazines and other charlatans claiming thins such as "Gain 30lbs on your Bench Press in 4 Hours". Patience will serve you well - empty promises will not.

4. Upper back/Lats - everyone knows that these things are important but here is the Rx if your lats suck.

Do this for 2 years:

* Chins - 3-4 times/week
* DB Row/BB Row - 1 time/week
* CS Row - 1 time/week

Sets/reps are NOV style as is the days you do them. NOV style = by any means necessary. Because of this, no questions are to be asked.

5. Train your biceps - I've seen numerous people increase their bench press by training their biceps. Mostly because they neglected them for so long. So if you have been neglecting your biceps, do 5 sets of 10 reps with a straight bar one time per week on whatever day you want/choose.
 

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das gefällt mir am besten:



...ich mag realistische zeiträume8)
lol. das ist so was wie "morgen wird das wetter schön; vielleicht aber auch nicht".
wer nach 2 jahren training keine fortschritte im drücken macht, ist sowieso falsch dran ;)
 

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trotzdem ist diese ehrlichkeit selten...
ehrlichkeit? das ist schon fast etwas übervorsichtig. 2 jahre ist ein verdammt langer zeitraum. die meisten spezifischen trainingspläne versprechen (und halten) trainingserfolge in einem zeitraum von längstens ein paar monaten. wenn ich ein system hab, bei dem ich 2 jahre auf erfolge warten muss, dann ist das was für leute, die ihre wettkampfkarriere bereits beendet haben.
 

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Ich fands amüsant...ausserdem fand ich interessant das er dem Überkopfdrücken so eine wichtigkeit Rolle zukommen läßt... The best way to bench 400lbs is to press 300.





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Verdammt, dann muss ich doch noch meine Schultern trainieren!
 

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Wenn jemand einigermassen trainiert ist, das setup, die Bewegung drauf hat, seinen ganzen Körper einetzen kann... dann sind Zuwächse schon eine Frage von Jahren... Hemd mal aussen vor... kann ich mich an kein Jahr erinnern, seit ich bei etwa 170 angekommen war, in dem ich mich um mehr 5kg gesteigert hätte... den geringsten Anteil hatten insgesamt die Trainingspläne...

von daher passt das mit den 2 Jahren schon...
 

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Wenn jemand einigermassen trainiert ist, das setup, die Bewegung drauf hat, seinen ganzen Körper einetzen kann... dann sind Zuwächse schon eine Frage von Jahren... Hemd mal aussen vor... kann ich mich an kein Jahr erinnern, seit ich bei etwa 170 angekommen war, in dem ich mich um mehr 5kg gesteigert hätte... den geringsten Anteil hatten insgesamt die Trainingspläne...

von daher passt das mit den 2 Jahren schon...
...sowas müsste man viel öfter lesen!!!:ssmile:

...oft es wirklich die eigene Ungeduld die einem die Beine stellt...

...wie du früher immer so schön sagtest, die Kraft kommt über die Zyklen/Jahre...





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29. Accessory Work: From Blood & Chalk Vol. 5

http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/training-articles/52-most-common-531-questions/

What I did say was, the choice of assistance lift pales in importance to the proper execution and loading of the key lifts. Too many younger lifters major in the minors, and they’re called assistance lifts for a reason. That’s the main point I was trying to make. When evaluating whether an assistance lift has a place in your program, it helps to consider that assistance lifts are intended to accomplish a few specific goals:

  • prevent strength imbalances.
  • build muscle.
  • strengthen weak areas.
  • and most importantly, ASSIST the basic lifts (squat, bench press, overhead press, and deadlift; or whatever lifts you deem important in your training).
Let’s take a look at the key lifts and what needs to be strong to do them: Squat — abs, low back, hamstrings, quads. Deadlift — same as squat, plus upper back/lats and grip. Bench Press — chest, shoulders, triceps, lats/upper back. Overhead Press — same as bench press, plus low back/abs. So with this in mind, we have to have assistance work that compliments these lifts and provides balance. (Don’t worry aspiring Jersey Shore stars, your precious hypertrophy will be achieved with volume.) Here are some of the best assistance exercises for each area of the above:

  • Abs — sit ups, ab wheel roll-outs, hanging leg raises.
  • Low Back — good mornings, back raises, reverse hyper extensions.
  • Quads — lunges, leg presses.
  • Chest — dips, dumbbell presses, dumbbell flyes.
  • Triceps — dumbbell presses, dips, triceps extension/pushdowns.
  • Shoulders — any pressing exercise.
  • Hamstrings — glute ham raise, good mornings, back raises, leg curls.
  • Lats/upper back — pull-ups, bent rows, dumbbell rows, shrugs.
For the grip, just perform Kroc rows (high rep dumbbell rows) or high rep shrugs (no straps). You’ll notice a lot of overlap with some of these exercises because we’re trying to do more with less. That’s training economy, a very good thing; better results with less time in the weight room. Now you don’t have to perform all of these exercises in one workout — just pick one for each group and hammer it home. Some exercises may work better than others, but you have to give it time to work. I see people do an exercise for three weeks and fail to put 80 pounds on their bench and label it a big failure. As for volume of the assistance lifts, that tends to vary from person to person and therefore it’s hard to program on paper. When in doubt, push the main lift and do assistance work based on however you might feel that day. Truth is, I tell seminar attendees all the time that a training program rarely fails due to improper assistance exercise selection. It will fail from poor programming, a lack of consistency, and failing to accommodate the ups and downs of life. In other words, a program must allow you to adjust a bit when you have a particularly good or absolutely shitty day. It’s not as simple as “Do this.” You have to rely on that thing that rests between your ears.



5 Ways to Increase Your Press

http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=138391&tid=63

Ever since I started pressing, I have been obsessed with making it better. Partly because I was so weak at it for so long (which meant that it had no place to go but up) and because it is simply a cool exercise to do. The death of the Press as a movement can be attributed to a lot of things, none of which actually matter. BUT, if you view this lift with as much enthusiasm as I do, use these tips to improve what I consider to be one of the most fun movements in the gym.

1. Use a false grip - I don't know who told me this or why I began doing this but this made a huge difference with my pressing power and more importantly THE PATH of the bar. It may seem a bit scary at first; holding a bar over your head with a false grip. But this seems to keep the bar path perfect for me and for some reason, make it much more comfortable on my shoulders.

2. Hold the bar in the shelf of your lats - This is hard to explain but think about it this way; don't support the bar in your hands or on your shoulders. "Shoulder" the load with your lats - keep your lats pinched and held tight. This will keep the bar path from getting out in front of you and make you feel stronger at the bottom. A good confidant start makes a huge difference.

3. View it as a total body lift - This doesn't mean that you should turn it into a push press, something that I have caught myself doing from time to time. But because of the line of power goes from over your head to the ground, it requires your whole body to be tight. Squeeze your ass hard! "Squat" the weight up with violence. The press is NOT a shoulder exercise, it is a MOVEMENT. View it as such.

4. Use volume to get stronger - the first thing I did to increase my press is train to a heavy set and then back off for multiple sets of 10. This is very similar to the very popular Boring But Big. I have found that volume increases my press greatly - but do not forget that you have to train heavy, too. As a note - when doing my main sets of 5/3/1, my goal is to simply get the weight overhead; it is a MOVEMENT. When doing down sets, I pull my head through at the top and view it as a "muscle", not a movement. This is a key distinction that one must have when training big lifts (squat, bench, clean, dead, press) and when doing assistance work. One is a movement, the other is a muscle.

5. Make it a priority - Just like any lift, if you want it to increase you have to make it a priority in your training. Once I did this, once I made it as important as my squat or bench press, it made huge increases. But please understand that of any of these lifts (squat, clean, bench or deadlift) this is the one that will increase the slowest and take the most patience. Keep at it and you will be rewarded. There is nothing better than pressing a weight that some people struggle to squat.

Goal

Make it a goal to press your bodyweight - then shoot for 5lbs more.



5 Reasons Why it’s best to do Chins, not have Chins

http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=138842&tid=63

1. If you can’t do chins, you are either hurt, fat or weak - And none of these three things are good. There is a reason why Joe DeFranco believes that chinning strength is a great indicator of speed and the above are why. There is no reason why a big man can’t do chins so don’t use that as an excuse.

2. Do chins with a variety of grips, all the time - Don’t just stick to one or two different grips. Use underhand, overhand, parallel grip, wide, medium, and narrow. Use ropes, softballs (Glenn B. style) and towels for grip strength. Don’t be afraid to chin using nontraditional chin bars (chin off random pieces of equipment or structures) – be strong in all ways, on all things. And please, don’t use straps.

3. Do a set of chins between every pressing set - You don’t have to do a ton of reps between each set, but doing this will greatly increase your chin volume without taking any extra time or energy from your workouts. Even doing a set of 1 or 2 reps between your pressing sets will go a long way in improving your back strength.

4. Use a variety of different tempos - Don’t be afraid to use a little body English when doing chins, but don’t be afraid to cut down on the reps and do them strict. Just don’t turn the exercise into an Olympic lift.

5. Use them as a warm-up and a workout - I always start every upper body day with chins. What this does is help traction my shoulders and get a great stretch; this is a great way to prepare your body for the pressing work ahead and get some extra volume in. These don’t have to be for max reps as this is a warm-up.


 
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Da ja hier einige mit dem 5/3/1-System von Jim trainieren, hier mal was Interessantes, heute gefunden...:ssmile:

...das angekündigte Buch 5/3/1 for Powerlifting läßt ja noch auf sich warten,
aber er schon mal eine grundlegende Änderung/Anpassung durchblicken lassen...

I'm a competitive powerlifter. How do I tweak this for my goals?

"I have a whole book on this coming out called 5/3/1 for Powerlifting," says Wendler. "The biggest modification pertains to switching around the weeks and adding some heavy singles.

In the original 5/3/1 Manual, the weeks look like this:

Week 1: 3 x 5 reps
Week 2: 3 x 3 reps
Week 3: 3 x 5, 3, and 1 rep
Week 4: Deload

In 5/3/1 for Powerlifting, I switched week 1 and week 2 around and added a few singles, so it basically looks like this:

Week 1: 3 x 3, plus a few singles
Week 2: 3 x 5 only perform requisite reps
Week 3: 3 x 5,3,1, plus a few singles
Week 4: Deload

This system is superior for powerlifting as it includes the necessary heavy singles, yet by switching the weeks around and only performing requisite reps in week two, you never train heavy two weeks in a row.

Thus, it allows for more overall recovery."

Quelle: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/531_reloaded



...dann habe ich noch das hier entdeckt...

T NATION: I'm a raw beginner and hyped to try 5/3/1. Should I make any changes in frequency, volume, etc.?

Jim Wendler: Generally, I tell everyone to just do the program as is, regardless of training age.
Of course, if you're a trainer and are using the program with a novice athlete or someone new to training, simply use your experience to make whatever changes are required – though there shouldn't be many.
Now if you're a beginner and are working out without any guidance whatsoever, it's probably best to just stick with the basic program. One of the worst things a young lifter can do is take advice from other beginners on message boards – they usually have all the advice and none of the experience.
Below is one beginner modification that's permissible, and effective. It's a subtle, easy way to add in some extra work on the main lifts without compromising the program or the philosophies it was built upon.
You perform a full-body routine, three days a week. Full body strength routines are the best way for novice lifters to quickly get strong, provided the program is non-retarded (i.e. adheres to an intelligent progression system).
Instead of just one main lift per workout (using the 5/3/1 set-up), two main lifts are used for additional weekly exposures. The second main lift, however, should not be performed 5/3/1 style; instead, use a standard 3 sets of 5 reps, starting at 55% of your training 1RM for the first set of 5 and increasing the weight by 10% each successive set.
The exception is the deadlifting day with presses as the second lift. Just do 5/3/1 here across the board.

Monday

Squat – 5/3/1 sets/reps
Bench – 55%x5, 65x5%, 75%x5
Assistance work

Wednesday

Deadlift – 5/3/1 sets/reps
Press – 5/3/1 sets/reps
Assistance work

Friday

Bench – 5/3/1 sets/reps
Squat – 55%x5, 65%x5, 75%x5
Assistance work

The program is set up the same way – taking 90% of your max and working up slowly. All percentages are based on that training max.
The first thing I'll be asked is, "What do I do for assistance work?" Because you're doing a full body routine each day and using compound lifts, you need to keep the assistance work to a minimum. Chins, dips, back raises, neck work, and curls will serve you well. Stick with that.
The above program is nothing revolutionary, but it's effective. When you're given a training max and the exact percentages to use every workout, it removes all doubt as to what's heavy, medium, or light. This is simple and easy to use for any beginner.
Intermediate lifters, provided the percentages on the non-5/3/1 days are lowered by 10 percent each set, can also use this basic structure. (As you get more experienced, you can't handle the extra work at a heavier percentage.)

Quelle: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online...and_chalk_vol_9_jim_wendler_talks_big_weights
 
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Ich find den auch klasse ! Wobei mir schon 5/3/1 for normal reicht. Da bin ich nach 2 Durchgängen nur noch müde.
 

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Ja, geiler Text, schon gelesen, einfaches und prägnantes Vorgehen, typisch Jim...:scool:



Gruß Eisi

irgendwas werde ich mir für den Sommer auch überlegen müssen, vor allem wenn es im Herbst tatsächlich die 105kg Klasse sein soll:sbiggrin:.
Vielleicht auch irgendwelche Sachen durch die Gegend ziehen oder schleifen...

um 531 für Powerlifting anzugleichen muss man langfristig schon Anpassungen durchführen, vor allem muss es schwerer werden. Ich habe ganz gute Erfahrzungen gemacht von einem angestrebten Max zurück zu rechnen, und wie Wendler es auch beschreibt etwas schwerere 1er einzufügen.
 
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